Comparing 3D Software Options
First Friday Chats | Episode 2
In this chat we discuss:
Sketchup vs. Home Designer Pro
Sketchup vs. Chief Architect
Sketchup Plugins
Rendering Software- Coohom, Enscape, Chief Architect, Revit, etc.
Episode 2 Transcript
Kelly fridline 0:00
Hello, everybody. Welcome to our second,
Kelly fridline 0:05
our second, first Friday chat
Kelly fridline 0:09
there perks from like working at home, right. And mom brain. Anyways, for those of you who weren't able to join before or are joining now, we're so excited to have you here. Please make sure to comment in the chat, to let us know that you are participating and that we know that you're watching. We were able to obviously get zoom to work. So hopefully this goes a little better than last month, but this conversation today, we're actually going to talk about various three softwares and which one might be best for interior designers and just, we may even completely geek out about ones that you may not have heard of because we have some pretty awesome experts here who have background in more than just the typical interior design software. So I will introduce myself again first. Hi, I am Kelly for line. I am the host of this group, everyone else here. They're also moderators and administrators of the group, but I started it two years ago under a different name. And now we are presentation by design. My formal background is I have a master of architecture and within my education, my formal education, I was taught Revvit and AutoCAD. And I'm going to be honest. I didn't super geek out for three software in school. I actually spent a lot of the time concentrating on hand rendering. So it wasn't until my fifth year and my master's thesis that I actually kind of concentrated on retrofit and learning that and developing my rendering skills.
Kelly fridline 2:01
And I wasn't introduced to chief architect, which I think most people associate my name with now until about five or six years ago when I worked for a design build company. And the owner of that company is actually part of this group. So, Hey, Jason, you guys can give Jason or the thumbs up for introducing me to chief architect and eventually learning and being able to teach it to all of you, but that is my background very quickly on 3d modeling software. I'm now going to go ahead and introduce you guys to Jody, which you guys have seen her tidbit Tuesdays, but I think this is the first time you guys are really seeing Jody
Kelly fridline 2:44
on camera, right? Dewey.
Jodi Best 2:46
Yeah. Well, I, I don't know that I've ever done anything like this before. I've never participated in any sort of, you know, broadcasted live anything. So hi, if I'm a little bit nervous, I apologize.
Jodi Best 3:02
I am a computer, good of a computer geek. I don't know a lot about like processing systems, but when it comes to the software, I love playing with new stuff. I love trying new things out. I started off my career in college doing 3d animation and design. I wanted to be working on,
Jodi Best 3:24
you know, the toy story movies and I loved Jurassic park and I love doing all that kind of stuff. It didn't really end up working out for me in that respect. You really have to go. I live in Maryland. I went to the university of Maryland, Baltimore, Baltimore county, UBC,
Jodi Best 3:40
all my family's here. And you know, most of the production companies are in California or an Austin, Texas. I wasn't really willing to, you know, move myself all across the country for the chance that I might maybe get into the industry. So I ended up staying here and eventually did a little bit of graphic design and then transitioned into the interior design world before I had kids. And then after my kids went back to school and I got back into the industry again, I started really going back into some of that 3d modeling and animation and stuff that I really loved when I was in college. It's a fun field. And I really, I really like playing with new stuff and learning new software and figuring things out. And I just get super excited when I get to,
Jodi Best 4:31
you know, geek out over that stuff and then make something that I didn't think I could do until I've done it. So it's exciting for me. And that's my favorite foam, some of the software over the last, what, 15 or 20 years that, so when I was in school, we focused mostly on alias Wavefront, Maya, which back then was, and still is a very deep, very involved, 3d modeling and animation. There was a lot of, you know, scripting involved and you could make characters, you know, with skeletons and, and camera shots and all this, like all this crazy, crazy kind of stuff. That was what I learned on. So that was,
Jodi Best 5:13
that would have been like nine. I graduated in 2001. So it was like late nineties, early two thousands. So I'm yeah, I'm kind of dating myself a little bit, but no, I think that was adding to your dad. So that was, that was where I started. That was the programming that I started with. And of course in school we learned Photoshop and couple of an illustrator and a couple of other Adobe programs. And nowadays what I focus on is I do a lot of SketchUp. I've also done used blender. I know 3d studio, like I only touched 3d studio max for like couple of minutes, really in the grand scheme of things. But what found is there's
Jodi Best 6:00
similarity to the, all the different programs and the way that they function, except for SketchUp, which I think maybe we'll talk about in a little bit, but it really gives you an ability to move around in 3d space, understand how hierarchies of groups work, you know, moving points and creating shapes and things like that. It's just one of those things that is fairly similar among all the different programs. So
Kelly fridline 6:28
Yeah, my experience with I, and I know I've told you this, but I'm a SCAD graduate, so they've got huge animation and industrial design program and whatnot where a lot of those software that you mentioned are kind of second, you know, like it's second nature to learn that. Yeah. And
Jodi Best 6:47
They're deep, you know, most of those programs are very deep and it takes a long time to learn. You really have to, you know, get into the programs individualities and like, what are the hut? Some things you can only do with hotkeys and you have to know all the hotkeys in order to function on in it. And you know, there's, there's a lot, it's like Photoshop and I know, you know, Photoshop, and I think Sonia, you know, Photoshop too Photoshop, you can do just simple, basic little things with Photoshop. But if you really want to, in Photoshop, it's such a deep program. Like you can go really far with it and really get, really get involved in it. And most of the 3d modeling programs are also like that. They're very deep and you have to really spend some time to get into them to learn.
Kelly fridline 7:36
Sorry, Nancy.
Kelly fridline 7:40
Yeah. So, all right. So I'm sure we're going to geek out more, but Sonya, introduce yourself and tell us a little about, about your background with 3d modeling software.
Sonja Capasso 7:50
Okay. Hi everybody. And so I also graduated from design school and Kelly, you reminded me, I also started, we can renderings, which was so much fun. Also started hand drafting and then AutoCAD and Revvit and then transitioned to well AutoCAD rabbit SketchUp in school. And then it's just was using basically SketchUp for my renderings for a long time. And then I made the lease
Jodi Best 8:23
A 2020. That was another one that I played around with. Oh,
Sonja Capasso 8:26
I tried that too. Didn't like it like, all right. So when I try a program, if it's not intuitive, like chief architect, like rabbit, I hated it. It was so complicated, you know, to go from a placement of an object to all the settings. It was just too complicated for me. And I feel like I pick up programs pretty quickly, but could not, could not get that one. So yeah, from SketchUp, I went on to try all these different plugins for SketchUp. So I try and escape years back when it wasn't as good as it is today. I tried doing motion Floorplanner V-Ray Lumion, KU home. And of course, chief architect. So I've tried quite a bit. So, and obviously second been chief architect and SketchUp primarily for now and coupon core to find the renders, but I'm learning and escape. So that's around that.
Kelly fridline 9:27
I wish Maria was joining us too. yeah, well, she'll comment on this and like four hours
Kelly fridline 9:38
she's asleep,
Kelly fridline 9:40
but yeah. So yeah, Sonia, you are somebody, you and Jody are probably like the two perfect people to have this conversation with though, because you guys both 100% nerd out on renderings, or like it's not even rendering softwares, it's 3d software. Right. So it's kind of funny that you said Sonya, that rabbit was so in-depth for you because I actually re I have a very distinct memory of being introduced to chief architect and grumbling for the first year and be like, this is so lame, where are all the features? Because my experience was rabbit. So I, but because of that, I went into chief expecting features, which made me look for them versus people who start out, they have no expectations. So they're not looking for features that are going to save them time.
Jodi Best 10:30
That's, that's kind of how I felt with SketchUp because I had all this knowledge from these 3d modeling softwares, and then I went into sketch and then I was like, I can't move a point. Where's the freaking point. I can't just have a point and move it. I don't understand how you're supposed to do anything in this program. There was a, there's a lot about SketchUp that is re as somebody that has experience in proper 3d modeling. SketchUp is very frustrating. It's like, there's so many things that you can do without, you know, any sort of plugins or, you know, just the basics of a normal, 3d modeling program
Jodi Best 11:11
that you can't necessarily do in the,
Jodi Best 11:18
the base program of SketchUp. That's just not possible. You have to do plugins and add ons and all these other things. But I will say if you don't have experience with any 3d modeling, then SketchUp is a lot simpler to learn because you don't have to go so deep into all that other stuff, if you, all you want to do is draw the walls of your house and Elton, you know, like extreme things and pop windows in. And, you know, like that kind of stuff, that's so much easier to do in SketchUp because you don't have to learn all the other deep stuff that goes into most other modeling programs. So, and I think that's large majority of why you see it used in the interior design industry so often because it's, first of all, it's cheap. And second of all, it's very quick to learn the basics of it. And you can get by with just the basics. I think for the majority of jobs,
Kelly fridline 12:18
I think it's, I think it's also because it's been formally taught in design schools for a long time. Right.
Jodi Best 12:24
And see, I didn't go to school for interior design. I was in, you know, graphic design and
Jodi Best 12:32
3d animation, kind of a thing. I was with like a different field. So I don't know what most people experience as an interior designer and the programs that they learn as an interior designer.
Kelly fridline 12:45
I actually don't either my back I've been,
Jodi Best 12:48
I mean, I've been working in interior design. I've been working in interior design field for a long time, but I wasn't ever formally trained that way. So I don't always,
Kelly fridline 12:58
They didn't teach you SketchUp when you went to school. So when I went to SCAD, you had to do, I think it was like five to seven electronic design electives, which I thought was standard. And it wasn't until I started working in, you know, at other architecture firms to realize that there's, there's full-blown architecture schools that don't require a lot like electronic design courses, which to me I'm like, how do you show a five-year program without learning? These
Jodi Best 13:27
Can draw everything. And,
Kelly fridline 13:29
But they weren't even taught that. Like, so when I worked at Finney, the,
Kelly fridline 13:37
we actually had the valedictorian of the architecture program was hired in working at Phinney design group. And she was self-taught in AutoCAD. And she, I think she knew rabbit, maybe it was SketchUp, but she'd actually didn't understand the concept of how to draw an elevation. Cause she only knew how to model something and pull the shot. And to me, it's like to be an RPI graduate, which is a highly, highly esteemed architecture school and not know these basics cause they didn't go over. It blew my mind.
Kelly fridline 14:15
Cause that was, that was covered at SCAD from basically day one.
Kelly fridline 14:21
And I think that's where sometimes the fundamentals come in too, you can learn all these softwares, but if you don't know the fundamentals and design and things that have been implemented in used for hundreds and I mean hundreds of years, then you're not getting the full depth of, of the tool because software it's still just a tool. Right. So I am, before we get too far into this, I'm going to, I'm going to have Jackie introduce herself again and tell, tell everyone why she's here and how she is gonna kind of be the person who keeps us from going so far down into a rabbit hole that people who don't understand what we're talking about. Don't sell loss.
Jackie Bajuk 15:01
Yes, I'm definitely here, not as an outsider, but as somebody that absolutely does not use any 3d modeling software. I'm here as a online business manager for interior designers essentially. So I, I help interior designers with their processes, decide, you know, take a look at their whole strategy, look, take a look at their whole business structure and, and help them decide on what other things to bring in. That'll help, you know, kind of streamline their business. So that goes from anything from, you know, different CRMs, different emailing, marketing, you know, processes, project management, but it also brings into, you know, who's doing the renderings in your business. Are you outsourcing, are you, do you have somebody on your team and what kind of programs do you need in your firm that make the most sense for, you know, I have an interior design client right now as an engineer on staff and she uses chief architects. So we obviously, with my experience with Kelly, we have a lot of talks about chief architect and how much it can do for you and that kind of thing. So I'm just here as a standpoint, to keep us online from an online business manager perspective of, you know, what's the biggest bang for your buck? What makes the most sense for the type of designer you are interiors, exteriors, commercial, residential, that kind of thing. Ease of learning. I can kind of answer that myself because all of these ladies here offer one-on-one training for all the services for all the softwares they're going to be talking about. So these of learning is kind of easy here with the VDM mentors. So yeah, a little bit about me and why I'm part of this conversation,
Kelly fridline 16:46
Becky, I don't, I don't know if it's yours, but for some reason we were getting like weird feedback. I just had a helicopter, like buzz my house. It was Jody, is it gone? Now I should have muted. Well, I was like, what is going on out there? Maybe that was, you know, I'm surprised, you know, you know that Jackie's nowhere near like the actual army base. Cause when we lived in Belton, I wouldn't be surprised. Like there were days that we would get the artillery, like the test fire and we were right in your lake. So like our whole house would shake and you could hear them
Kelly fridline 17:22
and you think something was like lit. I mean something literally,
Jackie Bajuk 17:25
It just depends on the time of year when they're doing their trainings, but we get helicopters constantly. Cause there's a lot of,
Kelly fridline 17:36
Yeah, you said they would just lie there. Like every so often they'd bark at it, but it was kinda like, all right, well the house didn't fall down. So
Kelly fridline 17:46
yeah. I love how my husband walks in through here. Like right. As I'm doing the joys of working from home plan, guys, don't talk,
Jodi Best 17:56
That's it. I just did. I was like,
Sonja Capasso 17:59
That's what I said to my husband. It's going to be one o'clock please don't say anything. Cause he'll he talks to himself a lot and he walks around the house and talks loud. I'm like, I can hear you, like I don't have any doors. So she went into his man man-cave today.
Kelly fridline 18:14
Awesome. All right, now we're going to get it out. So, all right. So software, so you were to talk about 3d modeling software, right? And not just modeling, right? But the different features that are available for it and how they might impact not just the interior design industry, but let's say that we have virtual design assistance and rendering artists and people like that who are watching this as well. And there may be trying to figure out the software because I'm going to be honest. I just had two discovery calls this week with people who are aspiring to learn software and they want to provide services to interior designers. So what software are we recommending based off of the services and the end results that these designers or service providers are looking to provide. Right. So, so I'm interested to hear what you guys have to say because you know, a lot more software than I do. And I'll be honest. And I I'm honest with us all the time when it comes to SketchUp, I have it to essentially pick furniture, explode it and delete the shit I don't want in it. And then I export it. Like I don't, I don't know.
Jodi Best 19:27
I just really, honestly,
Kelly fridline 19:29
I really don't know sketch up. They did teach it in school, but I actually remember seeing people working in it and being like, it looks like a cartoon. I'm not, I'm not going to learn a cartoon software. And now I'm like, it'd be great to learn, but do I have time to learn it? No. So I'm now that person who's like the stuff I need to have done in sketch up. I will send it to other people and I will do the stuff I know. And you guys, anyone who's watching, like that's helpful. So even the people who are outsourced outsource,
Jodi Best 19:58
I get a lot, I get a lot of outsourcers outsourcing to me. I'm like three times removed from the final pro. Like there's the client. And then there's the designer. And then there's the person they're outsourcing to. And then there's me, who's being outsourced by the assistant, that person that's doing the outsource. So I'm like, so who am I actually giving this paperwork to? When I'm a lot of times I feel like, you know, this is a lot of, a lot of middle management going on here, but a lot of telephone. Yeah. Yeah. Can you get someone to have a question about how this wall is supposed to be? Okay, let me talk to the designer. The designer has to talk to the client and the client has to talk back. You know, it's like to get an answer on something, but that's, you know, that's not the point here anyway, but so I think that you have been actually using SketchUp the longest, because I've only been really honestly using it for about a year and a half, maybe two years, but
Sonja Capasso 20:54
It's like, you've been using these forever
Jodi Best 20:56
Because I'm a nerd. And I, and I, like, I obsessed about something and I'd get like, totally, like Kelly said, I get sucked into a rabbit hole and I'm like, what else can I do? What else? And so I like totally like, but I think you've been using it longer than I have. So
Sonja Capasso 21:14
Yeah.
Kelly fridline 21:16
I think the rabbit holes, I hate to talk, but I think the rabbit holes are typical. I think it's kind of like, this is going to show my age, but it's kind of like playing Sims. I don't know who he's
Jodi Best 21:31
I go to the bathroom,
Kelly fridline 21:32
Literally. Sometimes I'll design them, like what my score would be at my Sims house based on focus point design and how like how easy it is for them to walk her out. But it is, it's like, you know, I remember playing SIM so often that I would like hit, I would be thinking I would start hitting space bar in my brain being like, can I just ask for it through this? Like, but I think that design software P anybody who finds that, they love it. They have visually it's, it's not work. You play in it,
Jodi Best 22:02
Right. Yeah. It's all play. It's all play. So like, yeah. So I, I might have put in more hours just because I obsess about things. But I think from a design standpoint that
Jodi Best 22:16
I haven't honestly not been using it that long,
Jodi Best 22:21
basically pandemic,
Jodi Best 22:24
you know, I got sent home from my job and I was sitting at home for, you know,
Jodi Best 22:30
hours and hours at a time with nothing to do. And so that's kind of, I was like, why don't I try doing this?
Jodi Best 22:37
And that's like, really when I, I mean, I used it a little bit when I did my own at home project when I was using a free version of it. But I don't know, like my point is to ask Sonya, like, how did you get into using SketchUp? And like, why did you pick that one over? Or do you use it in combination with other programs?
Sonja Capasso 23:01
Well, yeah, started it in school and it just kinda evolved and I never stopped using it. And I, I felt I was so good at it, you know, but I wasn't more than in furniture until
Sonja Capasso 23:15
when was it? I don't even remember, you know, time is so going fast when what's her name, I'm not going to remember.
Sonja Capasso 23:28
She sent an email out. I can't remember her name now, but she said, who does models? And I was like, yeah, I want to learn. So I kind of picked up hired Sam at that time. So he taught me the old, the basics, and then I reached the limit and then I did the same thing. Like, Hey Jody, I couldn't model a sofa. It was all these curves and up and down. And I'm like, yeah, the lines, phone band, how it went, moving forward, it's not working. And I spent so many hours and trying to figure out which plugin is the best I couldn't could not get it. And then you talk to me the quad face modeling. And I was,
Jodi Best 24:08
Yeah. And I started with SketchUp. Honestly, I started with SketchUp through the design tribe. I did a class with Sarah, Sarah. Her name was Sarah. And,
Jodi Best 24:19
you know, being the nerd that I am, I got into her class and I already knew everything because I taught it to myself and I was like, oh, well, yeah. But how about if you did it this way or better way to do it? Great. Right. Yeah. Right. I was, I was, you know, like I had, I had spent so much time with it before even, you know, I signed up for the class and I was so excited to do this class that I spent so much time, like looking, watching YouTube videos and teaching it to myself that by the time I got into the class, I really, you know, it was like a week or something. And I had already taught myself most of what she, you know, they were doing in that class. And so I was like, oh, okay. So let's just keep going and see how far I can push this. And, you know, that's just the obsessive nature of my
Jodi Best 25:08
work that I do really.
Kelly fridline 25:10
I think there's course addicts. I think there's people who get addicted to courses and addicted to signing up for stuff. And they don't really realize, like
Jodi Best 25:19
I wouldn't put my, well, I wouldn't put my, I wouldn't put that data, but because it doesn't, it's not necessarily just with the computer stuff either because I'm an artist as well. I do, you know, I, I spent a whole lot of time, like I got into this, like this phase where I was like making paper boxes, you know, like you get the card stock and you cut it and you fold it and you make a cute little,
Jodi Best 25:48
you know, like gift box or something like that. And then I have a whole room full of like little, tiny little boxes that I'm like, what am I going to do with all this stuff? And then I, you know, greeting cards, I don't even buy greeting for greeting cards. And I was making greeting cards. Otherwise
Kelly fridline 26:03
I did wedding invitations. And now, now I feel like I could build an entire company based off of like wedding invitation consulting. Like, how do you actually, like, what's the etiquette of titling and envelope because I frickin know it,
Jodi Best 26:20
It's just an obsessive sort of learning a new, like, I just love learning new things. And especially if it's creative, I'm just like,
Sonja Capasso 26:27
I think it's just an artist in us. Like I keep seeing online those cookies, they're making those cookies and like, oh, I really want to do those pretty cookies. You know, what? They kind of paint them and stuff and like all the things. And I've tried also, you know, I think it's just an artist in you where you just want to create with your hands and you see, I was doing these bracelets by hand and, you know, paintings and all kinds of things just to get your creative creativity out. And none of, I mean, I don't have as much time for that. So I'm just kind of focusing on SketchUp and Shi and whatever else I'm doing right now and trying to master fewer things, you know? All right.
Kelly fridline 27:10
So if we were Jackie, go ahead.
Jackie Bajuk 27:14
Okay. Coming back, full circle, back to sketch up as somebody that might want to learn SketchUp over another program, what are the perks of SketchUp? What can you do with it? We know 3d modeling in a sense with different plugins sounds like full room, rendering, interior, exterior. What are the perks of SketchUp other than it being the most? It sounds like the most affordable.
Jodi Best 27:39
It is definitely the most affordable. Like, I don't think you can to get the pro version of SketchUp. It's like 299. Maybe, maybe they changed it. I don't know when I purchased it, it was 2 99 free version. There's a free version, but it's very limited, limited, free version. Yeah.
Kelly fridline 27:55
Technically, if you read their notes, you're not supposed to use it for professional purposes.
Jodi Best 28:04
You know, like the free version, I don't know. Maybe you can import it something and then explode it and take out things you want. And then, you know, like maybe you can do that with the free version, but if you want to be creating, especially if you're doing it in a business sense and you want to, you know, be creating anything that you could use in a document or an, you know, a part of, one of the things about SketchUp pro that I really like is the, the layout program that goes with it. It's companion program. I personally, I think it's great. I think it does a good job. It's a little, you know, like you have to figure it out a little bit. There's a couple of weird little tricky things about it, but program has some weird, tricky things about it. So
Jodi Best 28:49
I, I like what I like about SketchUp versus like something like home designer pro or chief architect or something like that is it's really more of a drawing program. And so whatever I can think of or see or need to make, I can do it. It's completely, open-ended where, you know, like if you're in chief architect or if you're in home designer or any of the other like
Jodi Best 29:20
room drawing programs, you can draw your rooms and your walls. According to that, program's rules, you know, if you have vaulted ceilings and dormer windows and you know, like half walls and I had such a hard time figuring out how to do some of that stuff
Jodi Best 29:41
in those programs. When I think in my head, all I have to do is draw what I see and sketch up and it's there. I don't have to like, make it work. That to me is, you know, it might not be as fast. I think if you're going to use chief architect, you just pick the wall tool and you draw your wall, draw your wall, draw your wall. Well, pop your windows in, pop it, you know, like that's a lot faster. It's a lot quicker it's I don't know if it's more accurate, but it's, but it also gives you all that other information, like the, you know, the wall studs and the, you know, if you calculate all these things, I think the mindset are, is, are you going in as an artist and a sculptor? Are you going in as a, and it depends on, yeah, it depends on what you need from the program as well. And, and for my purposes, most of the time, I don't need that other stuff. And because I know SketchUp so well, it's faster for me to draw the walls and pop in the windows
Jodi Best 30:43
in SketchUp than it is sometimes to do it in, in one of those programs. But those programs are much more efficient at doing that stuff in my opinion, but you can't customize the things as much. So that's
Sonja Capasso 30:56
And on what your business is like, and what do you do for, as for me, a full-time job is drafting and rendering. So if I was just a designer looking to quickly plug in the furniture, maybe sketch up would be easier. You can pull elevation and sections in, sketch up also, and you can send it to layout. I hate it. I'll be honest. I can't stand it. And I just don't use it because I don't think it's as accurate. So, but if you are doing it like
Sonja Capasso 31:29
a virtual assistant, the designers for drafting, then I would say, then use cheap because it's, it just has for that part of the job construction documentation, I think it's faster. And just because like, when I get a client and I do a kitchen within one to two hours, people are like, wow, that's really fast. And it's like, yeah, because it's on me, it's the program.
Jodi Best 31:55
And also, you know, when you have something like chief architect, you've got this library of cattle of items that already exist, you know, like you don't have to go searching for things. So if you need a 36 inch base cabinet, you just, you know, plop it in and it's there and you don't have to think about,
Jodi Best 32:13
am I wrong about that? But I like, that's my impression is that, you know, oh, I need a sofa. That's 86 inches wide. I just go and I pick if I just need it to plop into a floor plan or something, a placement, something to put there it's a lot faster. But if you're talking about making
Jodi Best 32:34
realistic and
Jodi Best 32:38
beautiful and images, you know, like renders or elevations or, you know, like whatever it is you're doing, I don't have as much experience in using the chief architect to do that because, because I know the other 3d modeling systems, so, well, I tend to rely on those. And
Kelly fridline 32:58
Well, I think the thing to keep in mind is chief is really made for just chief, right? So you have the ability to export models from chief architect and even home designer, but those models actually generally need to be converted or brought in, in many cases to SketchUp to be able to use these other rendering softwares. I think the only one that I've run across that really works without having to convert it to a SketchUp model is actually twin motion that you can actually export it as a, I think a DAA and import it into twin motion and interact with it. And you can still reassign the materials if you want to, but you can stage it. You can do all those sorts of things with it without having to go through the extra SketchUp stuff that you have to do with some of this other software options. But again, I'm not super fluent in SketchUp. I think that Sonia is probably the better person because she knows all of these very fluently as well. But when it comes to doing technical drawings, I think that I personally, obviously I'm going to push chief architects even more so than like AutoCAD, or I think that when it comes to rev it, I have a lot of designers that reach out and they're like, should I do Revvit if you're primarily residential and you don't work with really big teams, then chief architect is going to be great. Even if you work with an architect who works in Revvit and architect is not going to use your drawings, period, they're just not, they're going to use their own measurements because they have a lot more liability than you do. So you can send them your models, but it's not going to make a difference. They're not going to use it.
Kelly fridline 34:43
But when it comes to the ease, I think that, that, I think that Sonia would be a great person to like jump in at this point, because I'm just doing what everyone else.
Jodi Best 34:56
Yeah. And Sonia, you have good experience in using both of those programs, like
Sonja Capasso 35:04
occasion, but not for drafting, just to, you know, you get a model from somebody and you have, the model comes in, you know, 400 people wide and it's supposed to be like three things. So you have to rescale it. So I do use that, but yeah, chief architect, hands down, anybody that reaches out to me, like you have to try chief architect because it is to, with everything that I've tried. And I, I find it really easy to learn. It does take time to do like, you can't expect to know it unless you do it. Practice makes perfect obviously, but yeah, I'm a huge fan. But even with that, I still go to SketchUp and I build my own specific legs or knobs or whatever else I need to show that I can't really do cheap, but yeah. Cheap hands down. When it comes to Japan, I should be a spokesperson.
Kelly fridline 35:59
It was actually the reason why anyone who purchased our chief architect of bundle actually gets Sonia's courses because it's a constant question of, well, I need better stuff. Yeah.
Jodi Best 36:10
But one of the things that you find is that there isn't really one program that does everything you want there really isn't and you really don't want there to be, because if there was one program that did absolutely everything you wanted it to do, it would be such a heavy program. It would be so hard to learn. It would be so hard to use. I mean, it's the same, like, you know, yeah. You use it, you use your, you, you build your, your room in the program that you want, you use SketchUp to add in whatever details you need. Maybe you're creating a render with, you know, twin motion or some other exterior program. And then you're taking the render into Photoshop and you're touching it up. And, you know, like there, isn't just one system where you do it all in one place.
Sonja Capasso 36:55
But the thing about chief, you know, I know, I think me and Kelly were huge fans of it obviously, but I thought everybody chief is a combination of cha of SketchUp AutoCAD, and just a basic drafting. It's like two programs in a rendering program, three programs in one. And it really does majority I'll say, rarely do I go out of the program other than doing those super high for the rice defenders or building a specific ledge or something that I can really do them.
Jodi Best 37:28
And it comes with a nice, hefty what, $2,000,
Jodi Best 37:35
I guess. I mean, I have, I have home designer pro, which I own, you know, like I was using the space-based model this past the year before. And this year I upgraded to the pro version of home designer, which is like $300, you know, and being my own business. And it's really just a part-time business for me because I have another part-time job. And I have two active kids that are running around all over the place. So, you know, for me to spend $2,000 on a program like chief architect doesn't
Jodi Best 38:09
financially makes, especially because I'm not, you know, getting requests from my clients to use that, you know, like most of the people that I come in contact with that are looking for help are always sending me SketchUp files, like
Kelly fridline 38:22
Tying into something
Jodi Best 38:22
Different though. Yeah. So yeah. So
Jackie Bajuk 38:26
A little bit, so as an interior designer from looking between, you know, a chief architect and a SketchUp firm, we're just going to go with those two at the moment. I know there's, there's a million other ones, but if I'm looking for a chief architect, it's because I not only want renderings, but I want to be able to do it all in one program with layout files and be able to have construction documents and all this kind of stuff, while only building it once and not have to like rebuild a bunch of things versus a SketchUp, it sounds like you're going to build it as more of a drawing and a beautiful rendering, but to do it in a layout, you're exporting it. Is that when I was under,
Jodi Best 39:04
Yes, yes. I mean, technically you are your export because SketchUp functions as an independent program from its companion, which is a layout program,
Jodi Best 39:15
led the layout program, imports the SketchUp files into them so that you can do things like elevations and draft, you know,
Jodi Best 39:24
you can still write, right. But, and I think a lot of it too depends what your business is. If you're an interior designer and you're doing these, these, this work, then something like chief architect is probably better for you, but if you're only doing it occasionally, and you're not always needing the exact same things, then sometimes SketchUp will fit that niche without having to
Jackie Bajuk 39:52
The exact same things. Do you mean the product items or do you mean measurements or
Jodi Best 39:58
The measurement if you need, I mean like you can do all that in SketchUp. You can put measurements together, you can, you know, create a document that shows the dimensions of everything and the locations of things. And you know, but it's not going to do things like, it's not going to give you a call-out list of all the windows in your, in your file. And it's not going to tell you what the square footage of your, you know, wall space is, or, you know, how many, how many, two by fours you need in your construction documents, that kind of stuff.
Jodi Best 40:34
Chief architect does all that. And if that's what you need, then, then you need to use a program like that
Jackie Bajuk 40:40
For a full design, with maybe some, you know, full renovations where we're knocking out walls or we're doing a full build or that kind of thing. You want to look more into a chief architect or
Jodi Best 40:52
Pro do some of these
Jackie Bajuk 40:53
Things,
Jackie Bajuk 40:56
give you a lesser price tag as well, making their sales. If you're going to do more of a, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Versus more of a, just a, a later design a designer for a day. If you will, where you're picking out new paint, colors, new furniture, new thing, you're not knocking out windows or changing anything big where we could do a beautiful rendering and SketchUp to give your client the end, all like, here's the look of the little changes that we're doing, nothing super structural. It sounds like
Jackie Bajuk 41:29
here's what I generally, when I have these discussion with designers are trying to
Kelly fridline 41:33
Figure out what, what they need. That's an immediate conversation, right? What are you doing right now? But as we've discussed, this is still an investment. And when you're still starting a company, even that 2 99 seems like a huge, it's a chunk, right? Yeah. And I remember when I first bought SketchUp after, while I was still paying for chief architecting link, and that was when you had to pay for it, they didn't have the subscription yet. And I remember thinking, oh my God, $500. Like, how can I afford $500 on top of like, I had my bookkeeper at the time and I was paying for Nancy and like, how can I do this? And then eventually it was like, well, because I'm spending a stupid amount of time trying to find that damn thing and SketchUp free and then figure out how to explode it and delete it. So I was able to rationalize that, but when it comes to, for me, when I'm having those conversations with designers or virtual design assistants that are trying to figure it out, I immediately say, what is your goal as a business right now? So are you right now and just doing kind of soft furnishings and you eventually want to take on, you know, especially if they haven't been working in any software before, right. And they eventually want to do kitchens and baths and do renovations and do those sorts of things. And if that is their end goal, then I will generally direct them to home designer pro. And I will say, if you want to be able to do more detailed renderings, anyone build your own furniture, you will eventually want to invest in SketchUp, but to start out home designer, pro's a great way to start because you're getting your foot in that more complicated. It's a lot less expensive than expensive. And you can use that $500 towards your upgrade of whether you're upgrading to interiors or you're upgrading to chief architect. And
Kelly fridline 43:21
while both of them again are super, are significantly more expensive than SketchUp. I remember having a conversation with Sarah years ago and we were showing each other the software. And I remember just going over cabinets and how to build the cabinets, which chief architects, and like 20, 20, that's a whole other conversation. But when it comes to SketchUp, I remember her saying that she had to manually apply each piece of hardware to each box and that doing an entire kitchen, that way can take a lot of time versus chief architect and home designer. You can set that default up immediately, or they already have hardware assigned. And if you want to change it, without it being crazy, all you have to do is go to your library, hover it over the box and boom, it's immediately there and you can do it for the entire room.
Sonja Capasso 44:18
Yeah. It's so much faster chief architect. I, and also on top of it, like you mentioned, if you're into doing a lot of kitchens and bathrooms, chief architect versus schedule a hundred percent. Yeah. One of
Jodi Best 44:31
The things in SketchUp that is frustrating is that, you know, it doesn't have that existing library, or of course there are plugins that you can use to generate things like windows and special, you know, specifying the type of window that you're putting in, whether it's a double hung or, you know, it's a casement and it's got two lights or it's got all these things to it. If it's got trim, you know, like you can set that up in home designer or chief. And it just that it just does it automatically. And SketchUp, you actually have to build a window or you have to find a window and you have to import it and, you know, make it fit into your situation. And if you've got seven different windows in your house and every window is a little bit different than the next one, then each one of those things has to be recreated. So it just, it really depends on, you know, what your end goal is really. I did want to also maybe real quick, well, if you've still got time, talk about the web, talk about some of the web based systems that are out there. You know, I have experienced, I've only used KU home, but I know that there's the there's KU home. There's four year there's, is it room styler,
Jodi Best 45:44
floor planner. Yeah. There's like three or four of them out there where
Jodi Best 45:50
they function as a basic
Jodi Best 45:56
room building system, you draw your walls, it's got, you know, it does that automatically tell the wall height. And then you select from the windows that are available in their library and you pop them in where they go. And then they've got a catalog of furniture and you drop the furniture, you know, like you just drag and drop things into it. It's it doesn't allow you to do a lot of the like super custom things that I think you can do in chief architect or something like that. But then what is good about these systems is that they're all the renderings that come out of them are really high quality and they're all web based. So you don't have to have any kind of special computer system. You don't have to upgrade your system so that it can process a render in seven hours or something like that. You know, it's all done remotely using external processors and it's fast and just have to have decent. So just make sure you have decent internet though. Yeah. You have to have really good. You have to have good internet to use them. And most of them, I think our programming is all written in China.
Jodi Best 47:08
So the people building the programs don't necessarily speak English and don't think like an American, you know, like are, are processing in the way that we build things and do things it's very different from, I think a lot of the Eastern
Jodi Best 47:27
continent where their processes are very different. And so I found that I had a lot of difficult, even though like it's super fast and easy and quick to create and
Jodi Best 47:40
see an end result in those systems. I wanted to customize things. I wanted to put my own specific fabric on this specific chair and make it look good. And I couldn't do that because I couldn't understand, I couldn't understand the system that they had put together and it was convoluted and confusing to me, just, I think I'm a lot of it is the language barrier more than anything else, but you know,
Kelly fridline 48:09
Or so I haven't worked in KU home too much, but I remember there's a proprietary version of it. And I remember when I was first working within that version and there are some insanely beautiful renderings that come out of it. And if, I mean, designer that reaches out and says, can I, should I work with, in that? I'm like, if you're doing soft furnishings and you really want to do beautiful renderings, you're not, you're not going to miss out on anything by working with them. That, that being said, like you said, Jodi, the way that they have it organized and the way they have things labeled is almost nonsensical to me. And they're,
Jodi Best 48:47
There was one system where I was trying to put in a fabric and my options for cotton flannel, hot and flannel carpet or flax. And I was like, okay, like where, where does my, where does my linen print go? You know, like it doesn't fit into any of these categories. And it was because the naming system, like what is flannel like, and flannel was just the word that they use to represent something else. It didn't really mean
Kelly fridline 49:18
That was how they set up their bump pictures.
Jodi Best 49:20
Yeah. Like, so it was, and, and the other issue that I always had with, with those, with that one system, I'll say, because they haven't used the other ones, but that one system was that making changes to the materials was God awful. Like you had to import the material and then you had to test it and see if it worked. And if it didn't work, then you had to import it again with different settings. But the settings originally that you used it doesn't record that. So if you didn't remember how you had imported it the first time, like the process of doing that was so, so difficult
Kelly fridline 49:57
With that, that I don't think anyone working within that version. So yeah, there may have been updates and changes to that. This is just our experience from,
Jodi Best 50:08
Yeah. And, and again, if you don't need that customization, if you're not interested in, you know, focusing on, like, if, if you're not going to be doing close up shots of a sofa, then that doesn't really matter, you know, to you. So it really just depends. I'm personally I'm detail oriented when it comes to things like that. And it drove me absolutely crazy that I couldn't change those things, but overall it was fast. It was easy. It was, you know, inexpensive because your, what is it like to do? Co is like, something like to do the professional.
Kelly fridline 50:42
like,
Jodi Best 50:44
Yeah, like maybe $35 a month, so you could do it for a month and then not do it for a month. And then do you know, like only when you need it,
Sonja Capasso 50:52
You know, when you're doing your renderings and drafting. So I think it's important to definitely explore different things, try a trial version. But like you said, there's not one program that does everything, you know, for me, I still use AutoCAD Photoshop, chief architect, and SketchUp and an algorithm program constantly. So while I do chief, mostly 90%, I'll still go to other things. So I think it's good to know more. I think you're better off knowing more than less, and then just try to figure out what fits into each client or project better. You know, I think that's how I work.
Kelly fridline 51:35
I think the key too is to remember that no matter what the end result is, whatever your style is and what you're trying to sell, they're still abstract, right? So they're not the real thing. And the end goal is to be able to get your design to the real thing. So whether you're doing some beautiful hand renderings, like I'm going to do a call out, but any arm, arm, child, I think that's how I pronounce her name. She does like the most beautiful hand renderings and that sells your project. And you're just doing, you know, some quick orders and furniture layout all the way down to full construction drawings, with super detailed millwork drawings and highly detailed and fully rendered presentations. Again, it depends on your clients. It depends on your business. And it depends on basically if you're charging for it because everyone should be charging for all of their work. And I think most of us who are rendering artists are hoping that their designers are probably upcharging our fee and making money off of working with us as well. And not just charging what they paid for us, because we've put a lot of love into it for you. So
Kelly fridline 52:59
I think this has been a great conversation guys. Like I think it's answered a ton of questions to even, even just, I feel like we could probably talk for another three hours just SketchUp and chief architect and home designer. But I think that like the main things that I think most people who are trying to decide between SketchUp and chief architect have a lot of times has been answered and before we shut down, cause I think that's kind of been tailored towards, in some cases,
Kelly fridline 53:29
if, if you could only have three software, if you could only pick three of your current that you use and it doesn't have to be anything that we even mentioned, what are the three software that you, is it softwares or is it software like sometimes I'm like, I don't know
Kelly fridline 53:48
which what would you pick and why Jody go first?
Jodi Best 53:57
I guess obviously SketchUp would be my first.
Kelly fridline 54:02
Why,
Jodi Best 54:03
Why? Because it's so open-ended, I can do anything that I want in it. I can do anything from just a floor plan all the way up to a custom tufted sofa.
Jodi Best 54:18
You know, obviously I have to do some extra plugins or whatever to go with it, but I have that ability to do that. And, and I liked the, I liked the layout program that comes with it. I think for the most part accomplishes anything that I would need to do in that situation.
Jodi Best 54:34
My second would probably be, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna
Jodi Best 54:40
lie a little bit here and say Photoshop because actually use Photoshop, believe it or not a youth, a Mac version of Photoshop called pixel Mader that does like 80% of what Photoshop does. And, but I use that a lot for creating just straight up graphics. You know, I need to make a flyer for something, or I need to change the color on something, or I need to cut the background out of something. I use that, that program a lot and it's comparable to Photoshop. So I just say Photoshop.
Jodi Best 55:13
And my third, I guess
Jodi Best 55:18
for right now would probably want to be one of the, the web based systems like KU home.
Jodi Best 55:26
I don't personally get a lot of business to use home designer. I purchased it and I know it, but from my end, I don't have a lot of clients that ask me to create anything with it. So, and it's just a, my clientele is different, I think, than Sonia's clientele. So
Kelly fridline 55:42
You are specializing in, you really can't do any of what you need to in
Jodi Best 55:47
Like, I, I like to do the other things that are more than just the four plans. I like doing the floor plans and building the rooms in the houses. I like doing that, but I like the ability to do more than that. So
Kelly fridline 55:57
I honestly think that if you were to buy chief architect premiere, you'd geek out in it more than I think you think, you know,
Jodi Best 56:03
I probably would. I probably would. I just don't have at the moment a reason for it. I'm sure I would love it, you know, and it's just the price tag on it. Doesn't allow me to, you know, indulge in that particular desire of mine. So
Kelly fridline 56:18
If you want to let people know, because the price tag is being brought up, you can lease chief architect and home decided. So you can make up to $200 a month that you can pay for the highest subscriptions. So, but that's just me, I know, way too much about the software, so, okay. Sonya, what, what are your thoughts? Three,
Sonja Capasso 56:43
I'm going to shock you with this one, for sure. Chief, for sure.
Sonja Capasso 56:49
But you know, like I think, I think financially a little bit differently because I wanted to just focus on being a virtual assistant, doing drafting for me, that the old saying you can make money without spending money. So I feel like spending money.
Jodi Best 57:08
I don't disagree with that at all. That is definitely a true statement.
Sonja Capasso 57:12
Spending money, investing with Kelly, you know, that scared me too. Like, oh my God, I have to spend X amount of money.
Jodi Best 57:20
And if I felt like I had the clientele that wanted to be to do that work, then I would definitely,
Sonja Capasso 57:28
You will get it once you start working it. And then your offerings are like, for me, I can offer AutoCAD chief architect, Photoshop, sketch up what else? You know, all these things and you expand your client base and then you can start new, you know, niche out to what you really want. But it's, I think Y you know, casting a wider net
Sonja Capasso 57:52
And
Sonja Capasso 57:55
I don't know a rendering program, I would say, so program coupon right now, I think it's the needs the best without grid testing and escape.
Jodi Best 58:07
And I just started, I just started using V-Ray, which I love, but it, it's definitely not the simplicity of Google. It's like, and that's part of the reason why I like it because it's so complicated. Again, it's deep and it's customizable and I can change things and see the changes that I'm making without having to fumble around in the dark about what's going on. But yeah, I'm really liking V-Ray as a rendering. What about you
Sonja Capasso 58:33
Kelly?
Kelly fridline 58:35
For me, I think everyone knows I'm going to say chief architect,
Kelly fridline 58:40
and that's just because for me, most of I'm not doing as many renderings as they used to, but I think that even if I did dead, I've actually, I feel like I've built a decent style in chief architect that people have associated with my name. So while they may not necessarily be the most hyper realistic renderings, I feel like for some reason there's something that's brilliant people. And I, I love their new rendering engine. So that again, anyone who wants to use that you do need to, like Jody pointed out, you do need to have a pretty powerful computer though. There's there are quite a few times it's probably more often than not that I actually get on training sessions with the designers. And I have to make the unfortunate,
Kelly fridline 59:31
you know, diagnosis that they need to buy a computer before we continue that training session. So if you have questions and you want to book training with, I would say any of us on design mentor, and as for specific PR projects or software, reach out to you, any of us, if you want to, before you book, and we are going to tell you whether your computer can handle it,
Kelly fridline 59:57
but cause there's nothing worse than getting on zoom and your computer just spinning the whole time. Yeah. Cause it happens that. And so for me, the other two would be Photoshop and I'll be honest. I don't use Photoshop anywhere near to the level that you can. But the full version of Photoshop has, is the only place that has the features that I use. So for me, it would be Photoshop. And then the third, which will 100% make you laugh would be sketch up. I don't know how to use it other than explode shit, but explode a lot of stuff in it. So to me, it's I would have it and it also sketch up. Also opens the door for me to be able to use some of this other rendering software if, and when I do want to use it. So I was looking at Thea because I know that Maria and Renee rabbit, okay.
Jodi Best 1:00:54
I can get the data downloaded on my computer. I tried it. I tried to, yeah, I don't know what I'm a man. I'm I'm, I'm I'm I'm on a, I'm a Mac check. I, you know, like I love my Mac stuff. I've had people try to talk me into getting PC several times. I've just, I can't like, it's an emotional situation for me, but I get it. It's restrict. It's a little restrictive because there are just a lot of programs out there that don't work on Mac, but I tried to download.
Kelly fridline 1:01:21
You can't even use parallels with them
Jodi Best 1:01:23
Either. Yeah. I tried to download the app cause I wanted to try it out and I, I couldn't even get it to like load on my computer. So I don't, even though it's, there's a Mac version of it. I tried it just, I don't know, it didn't work. So I'm onto V-Ray for now. So we'll see how that works out for me.
Kelly fridline 1:01:40
Well maybe you can totally geek out and bring it into my
Jodi Best 1:01:43
Yeah. Oh no, I can't afford my is again, one of those like $2,000 just to get into the base-level.
Kelly fridline 1:01:51
Oh really? You don't. I thought like Autodesk does a lot of subscriptions.
Jodi Best 1:01:55
Well, they might do a subscription now, but
Jodi Best 1:01:58
yeah, I just, I use, I like blender lenders freeware, which is amazing
Kelly fridline 1:02:06
Blender. And I think I've told you this before, but I think of blender. I had a professor, I think my sophomore year of school who wanted us to try the 3d printers and guys, this is when 3d printers were still like, oh my gosh, you and he wanted us to model it in blender. And this was my experience, a blender and Maya. And at the time I was seeing this kid who was an animation major. That's good. So he was very, he was very pale. He never saw some light, you know,
Kelly fridline 1:02:37
but
Jodi Best 1:02:38
I'm still like that. But
Kelly fridline 1:02:40
No, I mean like the building at SCAD for animation students, there's no windows in it. I'm sure.
Jodi Best 1:02:47
No, there's no windows that they're dark. The rooms are dark. They keep the lights off because you want to be able to see your monitor.
Kelly fridline 1:02:54
Oh, I remember being so jealous. Those kids are like, they're such hermits that I stopped
Jodi Best 1:02:59
May be able to wear contacts that year because he got totally screwed myself.
Kelly fridline 1:03:03
Yeah. The building with like pizza in it. And I was like,
Jodi Best 1:03:06
Anyway,
Kelly fridline 1:03:09
But he sewed it together in my instead. And I just remember watching this and be like, thank God I don't have to wear this. But yeah. So
Jodi Best 1:03:17
Yeah. I wonder if anybody's interested in learning or trying out like a proper 3d modeling program. Blender is free. It's awesome. It is downloadable for both Mac and PC. So if it's something that you're interested in wanting to learn and you want to see it in comparison to SketchUp, that's good to try them both and see what you like. The problem I had with blender was that when I was trying to work with interior designers or you couldn't export from blender into a file that somebody in SketchUp was using, like they don't talk to each other. And so I ended up getting really frustrated because there was no way for somebody in SketchUp to take something that I was using in blender and be able to, you have to convert the file in some fashion. And I now know a way to do that. I know how to do that properly, but the people that I was trying to help didn't have that ability. And so I ended up switching to SketchUp, but again, somebody from a 3d modeling background, SketchUp is funky and weird and strange. But if you've never used that system, then it's easier. So to do sketch up. But if you want to learn a proper 3d modeling program, blender is awesome. It's free. It's like, it's unbelievable that it's free because it's a, it's an amazing program.
Kelly fridline 1:04:38
Sure. Kick to Jody is a mentor on the virtual assigned mentor as an advanced modeling trainer. And she can train you. And any of the software mentioned on how you can build, if you want to go past some of these a little bit more basic 3d modeling courses and classes and training options, Jody will 100% geek out with you. And she, you know, she's a great person to bring you to the next level. And as Sonia's mentioned, she has taken courses with Jody to bring herself to that next level. So I just want to bring Jackie into this. So maybe Jackie can go ahead and do like a summary of all of this so that
Jackie Bajuk 1:05:24
We have wrap-up questions that I didn't get to ask during this. So, okay. So one of them, we were mentioning this, I mean, I kind of know these answers, but I have to ask them for everybody else. Right. Who might not know for things like V-Ray and unscathed and twin motion, these names that are coming out of nowhere, right? That we're, that we use with SketchUp and tooth archetype, this core, can they be used alone?
Jodi Best 1:05:51
No, no, no. All of those, all of those, the rendering programs of V-Ray twin motion, Thea,
Jodi Best 1:06:01
Inscape, Corona, they are all what you call a rendering engine and they require geometry to be
Jodi Best 1:06:12
either imported or used with it. So you have to create your space. And what those systems do is they focus on the lighting, creating lighting, texturing materials, setting up camera angles. So you have to have your room built first and whatever program you're using. And then those, those rendering programs are an exterior element that you apply to something that's already been built and they all function differently. They all have different parks and some are more complicated than others. And some
Jackie Bajuk 1:06:48
Works
Jodi Best 1:06:50
Some only work with certain programs, but for most of it, you have to have your geometry built in one of the other programs to start.
Jackie Bajuk 1:07:01
Okay. And then I already forgot my other question. So
Jackie Bajuk 1:07:10
yeah. Shameless promotion, virtual design, mentor.com. Guys, everybody here is a mentor on some type of stuff where some kind of training you could do. One-on-ones there's courses available,
Jackie Bajuk 1:07:25
everything that you could need, that we also another little plug here. We also have library, catalog libraries available, sorry, catalogs available for your libraries into architect, available for sale from some of the models that Jody and Sonya have created. And Kelly has post
Kelly fridline 1:07:48
It's four minute them in chief and they are applicable in chief architect and home center pro. So if you're an interior designer, who's been complaining that you're not getting good furniture or lighting or any of those sorts of things, we do have some catalogs and
Kelly fridline 1:08:04
they, and I can tell you, Sonya has Tom Moore and,
Jodi Best 1:08:10
And actually a whole sofa set that I've put together for you, Kelly, that I haven't.
Kelly fridline 1:08:14
Oh,
Jodi Best 1:08:16
And you guys can also reach out any specific models available. We can sell them as well, even individual. Yeah. And that's what I love to do. It's the modeling is what I love to do. So if you're looking for models or you want a custom something custom that you want to be able to share your clients or whatever, you know, that's my that's my favorite thing to do is model that furniture. So,
Kelly fridline 1:08:38
And if you are watching this, what after we, I guess hangup, isn't quite the term, but whatever.
Kelly fridline 1:08:46
Feel free to comment below, reach out to any of us, whether it's on Facebook, via email or virtual design mentor, we will be able to connect with you there if you are. This is the last same loop shameless plug, but I have to put it out there. If you are a virtual design mentor, anybody who provides services to interior designers and work with them on a virtual basis, please check out liaise for interior design.com. It is a directory that we are putting together for interior designers to connect them with industry partners. And when I say anybody that you can be a bookkeeper, you can be a who else. You can be a specialist, social media website designer. You can be Jodi and just build 3d models for people like you can be anything. And we have now over a hundred designers listed, not listed, but have joined the directory. And the sooner you joined the better cause we still have our Facebook beta launch offering for 25% off of the lifetime of your subscription, whatever one you choose to start out with. So again, if you have any questions, let us know, but we are here to help you. So thank you so much ladies for joining us today. Thank
Jodi Best 1:10:13
You.
Kelly fridline 1:10:16
Alrighty. I hope you guys all have a great weekend. I am celebrating a second birth date.
Kelly fridline 1:10:27
I got to go clean my house. So I'll talk to you all later.
Jodi Best 1:10:30
Bye.
Kelly fridline 1:10:31
Bye.
